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Stewart you're making me  , I'm glad my other half still thinks I scrub-up well-poor deluded soul. Sadly I can't wear my bangles (33 of them) at the moment as my wrists can't cope with the weight, they're too swollen to get them on  , and my 23 daughter has taken to wearing them.... Love, Barbara XXXXX
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What a shame! My wife wears an armful of silver bangles as well......it's just something that works for me! ( If you know what I mean ). I really like to see jewellery on ladies. I think it's very feminine! There's nothing wrong in blushing Barbara.......I quite like that as well!  A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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ye yuor right there Jean he he ahh i was wondering who other person is in your avatar photo jean. christmas tree yes wondered what youd all turned doreen into last ngith she did look sparkly and rather christmasey.  . not to worry doreen u look very fetching in it. inky07 cuddly cats make my world seem so much more fun
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I hope that all the support you've got on here has convinced you that you're not in any danger of being sued, Amanda. The restaurant certainly don't want the kind of publicity that would cause! Have a couple of glasses of wine and forget all about it  Anthea x
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John-H wrote:I left school in Merthyr at 15. Failed 11+ (twice). Destined to be either fodder for the coal mines or steelworks. Family moved to Oxford early/mid sixties and the rest is history. Never had a formal educational certificate or qualification in my life but now I am a Group Purchasing Manager with the largest independent builder/developer in the SE responsible for a purchasing budget of millions of £'s.
Grammar is a school that posh peoples kid went to................................................. That last sentence is a bit of a sweeping statement, John. I began grammar school in 1962, travelling 15 miles on two buses, and my parents were anything but posh. We lived in a council house up in the north-east, and my parents grafted all their lives. Kathleen
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I agree with you Kathleen.
I passed my 11+ and went to grammar school in 1961. We lived in a council house too, there were 4 of us children and my Dad worked all hours. We could only just afford the uniform but we did it because my parents believed in education and knew I'd worked hard at school to gain that Grammar School place.
We were far from "posh".
Grammar was a school where children who worked hard went!
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I'd like to jump in here as well. I was born in Camden Town, North London. Moved to Blackheath and then Lewisham. Lived on really bad council estates but went to a grammar school ( Roan Grammar in Blackheath ). My parents were really poor and certainly not posh. I was the last kid to wear long trousers as well. I think I was nearly 14. Even then, I had to wear my brother's old ones!! Mind you, I think I've managed to scrape by!  A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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Have to agree with the others, John. I went to grammar school too and my parents were certainly not well-off.
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Me too John! I lived in a council house with my widowed Mother and 4 other children. Studied at the kitchen table in my Granny's house and passed the 11 plus. I was not alone as almost all my siblings did so as well. Went to grammar school and, in time, read for my degree paying the costs by working nights!
Therefore, I would not agree for one minute that only 'posh' children went to grammar school as almost all the children in my primary class, who lived in my area, joined me in my first year. It wasn't being 'posh' that got you to grammar school, it was being a hard worker and being encouraged by parents who wanted more for their offspring than they had themselves. If there was one single thing that stopped many of my friends in joining the rest of us, it was the cost of uniforms. However, most of the parents in those days would have scrubbed doorsteps to get the money to pay for such things. Very different culture then or so it seems to me!
Never make a sweeping statement as you will always be challanged!
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The 11+ had ceased to be when I went to secondary school, but I have a friend who lived in a Council house, his father worked on a farm; he passed the 11+ and went to Grammar School and did really well. He went into the police then trained to be a solicitor. Social class and background don't make any difference and sorry John but, IMO, its unfair to make wide sweeping statements that only "posh" kids went to Grammar School. However, on the other hand, I know families who have paid for their not so bright children to go to private school. If you failed your 11+ and had no formal education certificates John, how did you get into the police? Didn't you need O Levels and A Levels in your day? Carol
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Actually, my brother in law (in Avatar) came from a Council Estate background; he was one of 5 sons, went to Grammar School and Univeristy. He passed his degree and is a forensic scientist. Carol
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Doesn't matter what social background you're from or what school a person went to - KNOWLEDGE IS POWER, and education should be free and available to all to all.
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Well, my husband also went to a grammar school and the family were so poor he had to have lunch tickets.....
Stewart....Blackheath...Mark took me there on one of our dates with a bottle of champagne from one of the barristers! We sat on the heath drinking it...
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My hubby's educational experience was entirely different to mine. He won a scholarship and went to a public school, St Albans at the old Abbey. He then went to Sussex university studied social anthropology and artificial intelligence and unlike my working class background, his was very middle class. He explained to me that he went to Uni because he enjoyed learning, and went for the experience, I on the other hand, went as a mature student and to get a job, and to be a role model to my daughter. I'm also the only one in my family to have a degree.
My husband has always worked for himself and did not put his education to use to get a job, instead he became a self taught engineer and now does what he loves most restoring and mending classic citroen cars and has his own workshop.
I no longer think that education or class determines who you are, but agree it has made life easier for some.
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John-H wrote:Tabbycat
In my home town of Merthyr Tydfil I am sorry to say that it was only the kids from "posh" (by our standards then) families that went to grammar schools. They were singled out as being "more intelligent" and had different lessons to the rest of us. They received extra lessons in maths etc whilst the rest of us did metalwork, woodwork etc.
That was accepted as the "norm". But that was in the late 1950's early 1960's.
Thank goodness I wasn't brought up in Merthyr tydfil ! Doreen xx
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John-H wrote:Tabbycar
No formal education certificates were needed to join the police service in the 60's. You had to be 6'0" or taller, have good eyesight, no criminal record and pass an aptitude test. ....................and not have piles! Have you got a pension from your time in the job John? I take it you're on a fairly high salary commensurate with the importance of your current job? A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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John-H wrote:Tabbycar
No formal education certificates were needed to join the police service in the 60's. You had to be 6'0" or taller, have good eyesight, no criminal record and pass an aptitude test. My friend is 57, nearly 58 and joined police cadets at 16/17, circa 1968/1969 and had to have O Levels. He did his A Levels whilst in the cadets. When did you join then John? Carol
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B;ackeath oh Amanda we spent our weddign night there at the hotel overlooking the ehath area opsite the litle chcurch we ahd our blessign big white weddign stly at church on belmont hill sodivine red carpet,gold decor so beautiful huge church it was to. 250 guests. followed by reception at bellingham community hall 120 guests. such a hot summers day to. only time our familes been togther for so long they all get on so well. do hope all with resturant calmed down for you now? and you know greenwich park im sure. d asked me be his Wife there at top near observatory overlooking city june 2000,married agust 2000. i worked in blackheath we had many a date there at cafe rouge,and other nice places. been to the big chinese state circus there blackheath,fireworks etc.i like it for the huge pet shop. lewisham stewart we go there alot,in passing mostly. famous now forits market 7 days a week. shoppin centre is now more modern. melly cuddly cats make my world seem so much more fun
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Melly, I lived in the Council Estate on Blackheath Hill since I was five. We moved to Lethbridge Close council estate, Lewisham ( which was next door....the two estates were so big ). I know Blackheath and Greenwich Park very well. We were always up there by " General Wolfe ". The flower gardens in Greenwich Park were my old Mum's favourite place! Where you got married are you talking about Blackheath Village? I take it you must have popped down to see The Cutty Sark and Gypsy Moth? I haven't been to Lewisham for 30 years. It was a bit of a dump then, although better than Deptford!! A friend is someone who knows all about you but loves you anyway!
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Hi um no the church was belmont hill the raos from blackheath to lewisham more lewisham side as hubby lived in lewisham at time. oh yes seen catty sark before got burnt down. know of the esate you mention my hubby friend was knifed on there nearly died lol. yes areas still run down. The rose garden ect oh yes our favprite to. funny small world hey. melly cuddly cats make my world seem so much more fun
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